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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:02 pm 
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http://www.fox5vegas.com/politics/23517492/detail.html

Disputed Mojave Cross Honoring US War Dead Stolen
Supreme Court Said Memorial Could Stay

ROBERT JABLON, Associated Press Writer

LOS ANGELES -- A cross erected on a remote Mojave Desert outcropping to honor American war dead has been stolen less than two weeks after the U.S. Supreme Court allowed it to remain standing while a legal battle continued over its presence on federal land.

Versions of the memorial have been vandalized repeatedly in the last 75 years and the motive this time was not immediately known, but the theft was condemned Tuesday by veterans groups that support the cross and by civil libertarians that saw it as a violation of the constitutional separation of church and state.

"The American Legion expects whoever is responsible for this vile act to be brought to justice," said Clarence Hill, the group's national commander.

Attorney Peter Eliasberg of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California, which sued on behalf of an opponent of the cross, said the organization rejects any resort to theft or vandalism.

"We believe in the rule of law and we think the proper way to resolve to any controversy about the cross is through the courts," he said.

The 7-foot-high metal cross vanished from its perch in the Mojave National Preserve late Sunday or early Monday, said National Park Service spokeswoman Linda Slater. Bolts holding it to the rock were cut.

Slater said possible scenarios ranged from people "with an interest in the case" to metal scavengers. The U.S. Justice Department was looking into the case.

The cross has been the center of a legal dispute for about a decade since a complaint by a former park service employee represented by the ACLU.

On a 5-4 vote in April, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to order its removal. The high court told a federal judge to take a new look at a congressional plan to transfer land under the cross to private ownership.

The theft was discovered when workers went to replace a plywood cover that was placed over the cross years ago pending resolution of the case and had been torn off during the weekend.

The isolated site in the 1.6 million-acre preserve is a small rise amid Joshua trees along a road far off busy Interstate 15, about 200 miles northeast of Los Angeles and 70 miles south of Las Vegas.

The Veterans of Foreign Wars first placed a wooden cross on Sunrise Rock in 1934 to honor soldiers killed in World War I.

The metal cross that was stolen was erected in the late 1990s by the memorial's longtime caretakers, Henry and Wanda Sandoz of Yucca Valley.

Liberty Institute, an organization representing the Sandozes and veterans groups, offered a $25,000 reward for information leading to an arrest or conviction.

Wanda Sandoz said the cross had been vandalized in the past, but such instances had become rarer since her husband bolted it down.

"I was really upset and I was crying, and I said: 'Well, we'll show them. We'll put up a bigger one and a better one," she said. "And Henry said: 'No we won't. We will put one up exactly like the veterans put up.'"

The VFW also promised that the memorial will be rebuilt.

"This was a legal fight that a vandal just made personal to 50 million veterans, military personnel and their families," National Commander Thomas J. Tradewell said.

It was not immediately clear, however, whether a replacement cross would be permitted.

"We're waiting for news from the Department of Justice as to what we should do. The case is still in litigation," said Slater, the park service spokeswoman.

Federal courts ruled earlier in this decade that having the cross in the national preserve was unconstitutional. The issue that most recently went to the Supreme Court was the rejection by lower courts of the congressional effort to solve the problem by transferring the land into private hands.

In sending the case back to a lower court, six justices wrote separate opinions.

Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote that the cross shouldn't be seen merely as a religious symbol.

"Here one Latin cross in the desert evokes far more than religion. It evokes thousands of small crosses in foreign fields marking the graves of Americans who fell in battles, battles whose tragedies are compounded if the fallen are forgotten," he wrote.

In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens agreed that soldiers who died in battle deserve a memorial. But the government "cannot lawfully do so by continued endorsement of a starkly sectarian message," Stevens said.

The ACLU's Eliasberg said he hadn't thought about what to do if the cross is replaced, but noted that the group had not objected to leaving up the current cross while it was covered.

Eliasberg said he did not know whether Frank Buono, the former park service employee involved in the lawsuit, had been contacted by any investigator. Eliasberg said Buono is a "decent and honorable person" who has pursued the case through the courts.

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Associated Press Writers Kevin Freking in Washington, D.C., and John Antczak in Los Angeles contributed to this report.


Here''s the cross in question

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Here's how the cross looked while the case went thru the courts

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:11 pm 
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So, should they also take down the cross on all the graves in the national cemetaries?

Just a thought!

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:16 pm 
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Todd,, I was thinking the same thing! By the way,, who owns Arlington National Cemetary ??? I thought it was owned by the government... All of the crosses there have to come down too ?? What is this Country of ours coming to ??

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:38 pm 
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Todd & Phil, I am sorry to say this but I do beleave that having crosses & star of davids removed from all national cemerteries is coming. The atheists are the ones Washington is listening too, not us. Sad, so very very sad. :(

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:45 pm 
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Brad, I hope your wrong. What a waste of energy and money to actually put some one down or prevent them from practicing their religion even after death! I think the crosses, the six sided stars, even the pentagrams if that's your belief, should be on your grave!

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:09 pm 
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sad to know many things are taken away.
the jerks who did this....need to be dragged behind my JK
oppsssss sorry I`m not very PC right now.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:49 am 
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Thank you Dawn for this update.

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/cross- ... theft.html

Anonymous letter explaining cross theft

May 12, 2010 8:35 AM
FROM STAFF REPORTS

Note: An anonymous caller, claiming to know the details of the theft of the Mojave Cross, called the Desert Dispatch Tuesday afternoon, saying he was not directly responsible for the cross’s theft, but knew who was. While the claims could not be verified, the caller, who identifies himself as a veteran, seems likely connected to the theft. Below are key points of a written explanation provided by the caller.



• The cross has been carefully preserved.

• A small non-sectarian monument was brought to place at the site but technical difficulties prevented this from happening at the time the cross was moved to its new location.

• The cross was erected illegally on public land in 1998 by a private individual. Since then the government has actively worked to promote the continued existence of the cross, even as it excluded other monuments from differing religions. This favoritism and exclusion clearly violates the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

• Anthony Kennedy desecrated and marginalized the memory and sacrifice of all those non-Christians that died in WWI when he wrote: 'Here one Latin cross in the desert evokes far more than religion. It evokes thousands of small crosses in foreign fields marking the graves of Americans who fell in battles — battles whose tragedies are compounded if the fallen are forgotten.'

• Justice Kennedy’s words in particular and others like them from the other Justices caused me to act.

• Discrimination in any form is intolerable, as is hatred.

• Discrimination or hatred based upon religion should be despised by all Americans.

• Despite what many people are saying, this act was definitively not anti-Christian. It was instead anti-discrimination.

• If an appropriate and permanent non-sectarian memorial is placed at the site the cross will be immediately returned.

• Alternatively, if a place can be found that memorializes the Christian Veterans of WWI that is not on public land the Cross will promptly be forwarded with care and reverence for installation at the private site.


I still have a problem with the person that did this. His explanation doesn't sit well wth me. He doesn't have the right to do what he did no matter what his reasons. If I run into him it would not be a pretty sight.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:20 pm 
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I wouldn't say it's the atheists causing issues, but people of other religions. My god can beat up your god mentality. Hell I knew 2 guys once that fought constantly over which bible was right and they both claimed to be from the same sect of Christianity.

Myself, I'm agnostic, but I feel that the removal was wrong. And the excuse that it was put up illegally is BS considering they were restoring one that had been there for almost 65 years by then.

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