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Author:  Andy Steiner [ Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  BLM work assist day
The BLM has requested the help of all OHV enthusiasts to help lengthen a fence to limit access to a canyon in the Logandale Trail System containing a large amount of petroglyphs. The canyon has been vandalized recently and the BLM constructed a fence to limit access into the canyon. Evidence shows that motorcycles and ATVs have been driven up and over small hills on one side of the fence (shown in the second photo), accessing the canyon and causing more defacing of the petroglyphs.

Robert Wandell, Supervisor of Recreational Planning has asked members of the OHV community to help install a portion of fence to stop the ATVs and motorcycles from creating new unauthorized trails and causing further damage.

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Meet at Stoney's Pad at 8:00

AM, ready to move out at 8:30AM.

This coming Saturday, June 9th.

CB channel 4.

For those of you who have never been there, here's some easy to follow directions:

Exit 93 from I-15 north, turn right, heading east. Go approximately 5.5 miles and turn right on Liston Ave. There's a Chinese restaurant/American BBQ place (go figure!) on that corner as a landmark. Liston dead ends into the railroad tracks. Turn right and cross over the railroad tracks. Turn right again. Follow the road as it curves around. In about a mile, you'll see what we refer to as Stoney's Pad on the left.



Stoney's Pad - N36 36.342 W114 30.092

First Restroom - N36 35.614 W114 31.599

Petroglyph Canyon - N36 32.234 W114 32.487
Author:  Lucy [ Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:43 am ]
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F.Y.I. Andy, Saturday the 9th is our monthly club run. Thanks for posting up the event, perhaps another off-road person will see your post and be able to make it.
Author:  N2Deep [ Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:17 pm ]
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Too hot for the club run for me and definitly too hot to help BLM -
I still don't understand why they try to block that stuff off - Do they really think it will prevent damage? The type of people that are doing damage aren't going to stay out just because they put up a barrier. I just can't believe someone has nothing better to do than destroy those petroglyphs. Its really sad that they have to put up that ugly barrier in the middle of such a cool place to try and keep vandals out when it really won't do much good. They will find another way in if they really want to. It just prevents civil people from seeing what is out there.
Author:  JeepinJoe02 [ Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:24 pm ]
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Bad timing with the club run this weekend, not that I'd want to help. It is a shame that the fence is going up. It will never stop the destruction of the land. The fence will be destroyed then it's a free pass to the petroglyphs anyway. The only thing we can do is keep doing what is right in hopes that the ones who don't, get caught sometime down the trail. Then teach other's to do what is right so things like this may be there for future generations. :|
Author:  mac [ Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:14 pm ]
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many have used that area as part of a "TRAIL"


**EDIT**

mac
Author:  Navy-Jeepster [ Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:40 pm ]
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I am not sure I would help them construct more fence.
The fence is not stopping the destruction or vandelism of the petroglyphs. If they want to construct a fence, then build one right at the area that will really keep people off the rock, and petroglyphs.

I am surprised that someone has not pulled down the fence yet with their truck, and taken the cable. That happened over here when the BLM tried to close a trail and area.
I would not condone doing something illegal.

I would show up to ask them some questions about who authorized the fence, and where was the opportunity for public comment on this?
Did they do a NEPA and EIS/EA review? In one of the other threads, Mac said they did, but I would ask to see it.

We need to keep a good working relationship with the local land managers, and not helping with this, will only show that we do not want to help.
If I was to help, I would tell them, that it is under durress, and that I want to see something else built that will actually protect the petroglyphs, then keep my OHV away from the area. Find a way to build a fence at the area, that will keep people off the petroglyphs, so they can not damage them.

Todd
Navy-Jeepster
Author:  GaryB [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:47 am ]
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If the BLM will let me, I need some target practice; deer season is coming up. Moving objects are always better training than paper anyway.
Author:  mac [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:07 am ]
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**EDIT**

Robert Wandell, Supervisor of Recreational Planning / BLM
was at the Vegas Valley 4x4 meeting last night ....
he explained his reason to close a section of "trail"

I agree with his reason and no longer oppose the closing of this section.

Robert was asked to re-think using fence materials and to use natural rock to create a walking path.
He said he would look into other options.

I would support a new "Rock " path to enhance the area.

communication is key...
The local Tribes were consulted and we were not.
hopefully we all learned from this event.

If you can help out Please do so.

Thanks
mac
Author:  N2Deep [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:24 am ]
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What was the reason and its a waste of tax payers money because it wont keep vandals out.
Author:  mac [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:03 am ]
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N2Deep wrote:
What was the reason and its a waste of tax payers money because it wont keep vandals out.


it`s an emergency effort to keep vehicles away from the area.

education is key..
establish a way to teach others the value of the past.

locking up the past...
keeping these sites secret is not working

most people who use these areas already know these sites exist.
Author:  brad/duuuude [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:47 am ]
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so someone that is eldery or disabled and unable to hike through the deep sand and rocks isn't allowed to see the site? they're not "good enough" to see the beauty of the canyon and share in the history of it? and the cable is going to stop the vandals who are probably even more po'd now that there's a barrier and willing to do even more damage? how is this helping? i'm all for stopping vandalism but stopping equal access for everyone to a site on public land isn't the way to do it. just my 2 cents worth. rant off.
Author:  SinCityFJC [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:59 am ]
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Robert w/BLM plans on doing some kind of hardscape/walking path that isn't obtrusive and will blend in.

I'm one of those that can't access this site anymore but hope that is a temporary situation.
Author:  N2Deep [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:00 pm ]
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Since I live out here I would be more than happy to help whenever possible but I won't help with poles and cables. those only get destroyed and angers others. Sometimes you just have to realize that you can't protect everything and only hope that through education that sites like these will survive.
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