Nevada Backroaders

Nevada 4-Wheel Drive Club
It is currently Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:59 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 15, 2015 12:13 pm
Posts: 15
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Also known as Tuweep. (I think the general are is Tuweep, the overlook is Toroweap, both variations on the same Paiute word.) It's in the Arizona Strip on the northern rim of the western Grand Canyon, south of Fredonia. I'm intrigued by the place, and wouldn't mind visiting. It's 3,000' down to the river, and you can see where a lava flow dammed up the river, then the dam got eroded away.

It's park service land. Apparently some folk do manage the 70-mile dirt road in sedans at times, though it's discouraged. The run supposedly takes 3 to 4 hours one way from Fredonia, AZ, which is 3 hours from Vegas, so it might make more sense to do it as an overnight, or even two, basing from Fredonia or St. George. There's a campground at the site with picnic tables and composting toilets, but there's no water - we'd have to bring our own; not exactly KOA. If we did the run as a group, (How many vehicles is a group?), there's a special use permit required that we'd have to submit at least a month in advance, with a fee of $250 that we'd have to divide up.

The Park Service has a website about it here, with a brochure to download: https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/tuweep.htm

This site has a bunch of pretty pictures from somebody who went in 2015 from St. George. Their Desert Roads and Trails Society did this as a fun run in January of 2015, and their description doesn't mention paying a Special Use fee - I guess I'd need to get clarification from the Park Service folk: http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archiv ... UjfJ7sUH4g

And this site has some more information, though it's about flying into the airstrip there: http://www.swaviator.com/html/issueMA02/Tuweep3402.html

Has anybody been here? Would anybody be interested in going? If there's interest, I can try to contact the St. George club and see what their fee situation was, and contact the Park Service and get their take on it.

_________________
A passenger and science geek: geology, meteorology, botany, astronomy, ...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 15, 2015 12:13 pm
Posts: 15
Location: Las Vegas, NV
I see somebody here tried to organize a trip back in 2011, but it got cancelled due to weather. A few folk in the club at the time mentioned that they'd been to the site, but I don't know if they're still in the club.

_________________
A passenger and science geek: geology, meteorology, botany, astronomy, ...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:43 am
Posts: 100
Location: Sandhill and Tropicana
There are several lava flows at Mt. Trumbull, which is a short distance from Totroweap. I went there with a group of teachers, along with geologists from Nevada State College And UNLV. We also went to Toroweap as well. Unless they *fixed* the road to Toroweap, a high clearance vehicle is needed. It is a fantastic view.

_________________
Image
2012 Rubicon Unlimited.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:49 am
Posts: 61
Location: Las Vegas
A 2 day event would be neat to see a bit more. I'd be interested.

And define high clearance..? We talking axle clearance or overall clearance with sliders clearance? ;)

_________________
--

"You're right, there is no "I" in Team But there sure is in Independence, Individuality, and Integrity.."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:43 am
Posts: 100
Location: Sandhill and Tropicana
High clearance as in truck or SUV. A minivan or regular height car will not clear the road up to Toroweap.

_________________
Image
2012 Rubicon Unlimited.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:49 am
Posts: 61
Location: Las Vegas
RogueLeader wrote:
High clearance as in truck or SUV. A minivan or regular height car will not clear the road up to Toroweap.


Oh well then I'm good then.. lol ;)

_________________
--

"You're right, there is no "I" in Team But there sure is in Independence, Individuality, and Integrity.."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:34 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:38 pm
Posts: 71
I have been to Toroweap, Whitmore Point and Twin Point on separate occasions.
https://goo.gl/maps/CDCfSRN9M7m
Going when the temps are nice and no rain expected is a big factor. Toroweap's Overlook is great, but when the weather is nice it can be busy on weekends. When I say busy I just mean on a Friday when departing I saw a couple of big vans coming into the camp and I bet some scouts would be there by afternoon. It says camping requires a permit so plan and that will be no big deal. https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/ ... UMP_725795
High clearance for the last few miles is about all you need. I am afraid I can not make tomorrow's ride but we can talk anytime if you have any question. Dawn, Tom or Rex have our number. One of these days I want to go to Kelly's Point Overlook, https://goo.gl/maps/M17Prn31FyQ2 I have tried to get there but had to turn back because of rain and mud that stuck like glue to the tires.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:49 am
Posts: 61
Location: Las Vegas
Sometimes the adventure to the destination is better than the destination.. ;) But I can understand some risks arent worth the losses..

_________________
--

"You're right, there is no "I" in Team But there sure is in Independence, Individuality, and Integrity.."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:18 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:13 pm
Posts: 8
Location: Las Vegas
The Grand Canyon overlook at Toroweap is on my 'bucket' list. I understand it has the best views of the Canyon and the Colorado River far below. Weather is critical for a safe and successful trip. May or June are the best months to overland to Toroweap as these months are historically the driest and sunniest. Violent monsoon storms can hit the Canyon rim during late June into early September. At a minimum a three day/two night adventure. 2018 anyone ???


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:12 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:49 am
Posts: 61
Location: Las Vegas
Mos def sounds like something that would need to be planned in advance.. I'd like to look into this one. if not with the ranger for sure with the womans 4Xterra..

_________________
--

"You're right, there is no "I" in Team But there sure is in Independence, Individuality, and Integrity.."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:22 pm
Posts: 234
Location: Mesquite
Been there many times and camped at the overlook and on Mt. Trumbull. Kanab point has some amazing views as well and not to far from Toroweap Overlook. On the other side of Mt. Trumbull there is Bar10 ranch and Whitmore point and Mt. Trumbull school house. Some petroglyphs in the area along with caves to explore. So 2 day trip is nice if you want to explore a bit.

_________________
Image
Cycle of Life
2010 Tundra 4X4


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group